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    Re: Affidavit of support I-864 and I-864A




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    Tam je. Dostatochno namerenia ustanovit' domicile v USA, soglasno ukazannym usloviam.
    Вот-вот. Достаточно намерения, если "living abroad not meeting the criteria in 9 FAM 40.41 N7.1-1 who wishes to qualify".

    To qualify как кто? As a "Sponsor" for Purposes of the Affidavit of Support (AOS). Требования 1-4 см. выше.
    А не то, что писали Вы
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    Trebovanii k projivaniu peticionera v USA net. Trebovanii k domicile v USA toje net. …
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    Re: Affidavit of support I-864 and I-864A

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    Вот-вот. Достаточно намерения, если "living abroad not meeting the criteria in 9 FAM 40.41 N7.1-1 who wishes to qualify".

    To qualify как кто? As a "Sponsor" for Purposes of the Affidavit of Support (AOS). Требования 1-4 см. выше.
    А не то, что писали Вы
    Est' trebovania k AOS (Affidavit of Support i kto ego failit), a ne k peticioneru (po prichine togo chto on failit peticiu). Eto chto ia govoril

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    Re: Affidavit of support I-864 and I-864A

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    Est' trebovania k AOS (Affidavit of Support i kto ego failit), a ne k peticioneru (po prichine togo chto on failit peticiu). Eto chto ia govoril
    *вздохнула*
    b. If the petitioner does not meet the qualifying criteria to be a sponsor (for example, by being under 18 years of age or not domiciled in the United States), the visa applicant must be found ineligible for a visa under INA 212(a)(4) until such circumstance no longer exists.
    c. The “sponsor” for purposes of the AOS is the petitioner;
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    Re: Affidavit of support I-864 and I-864A

    V sluchae esli grajdanin edet v USA vmeste s immigrantom, on imeet pravo failit' I-864

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    Re: Affidavit of support I-864 and I-864A

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    V sluchae esli grajdanin edet v USA vmeste s immigrantom, on imeet pravo failit' I-864
    Да, потому как в этом случае он выполнит критерий №4 через Establishing the Existence of a U.S.Domicile.
    Но в корне неверно утверждать, что требования domicile не существует. (Иначе не нужно было бы показывать никакие "намерения" и прочее еstablishing…).
    Бог любит атеистов более прочих, ибо они не достают его своими просьбами.

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    Re: Affidavit of support I-864 and I-864A

    Мне кажется кому то надо почитать сам закон:

    INA 213A (f)
    (f) Sponsor Defined.-

    (1) In general.-For purposes of this section the term "sponsor" in relation to a sponsored alien means an individual who executes an affidavit of support with respect to the sponsored alien and who-

    (A) is a citizen or national of the United States or an alien who is lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence;

    (B) is at least 18 years of age;

    (C) is domiciled in any of the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any territory or possession of the United States;

    (D) is petitioning for the admission of the alien under section 204 ; and

    (E) demonstrates (as provided in paragraph (6)) the means to maintain an annual income equal to at least 125 percent of the Federal poverty line.

    (2) INCOME REQUIREMENT CASE.--Such term also includes an individual who does not meet the requirement of paragraph (1)(E) but accepts joint and several liability together with an individual under paragraph (5)(A). 1a/


    (3) Active duty armed services case.-Such term also includes an individual who does not meet the requirement of paragraph (1)(E) but is on active duty (other than active duty for training) in the Armed Forces of the United States, is petitioning for the admission of the alien under section 204 as the spouse or child of the individual, and demonstrates (as provided in paragraph (6)) the means to maintain an annual income equal to at least 100 percent of the Federal poverty line.

    (4) Certain employment-based immigrants case.-Such term also includes an individual-

    (A) who does not meet the requirement of paragraph (1)(D), but is the relative of the sponsored alien who filed a classification petition for the sponsored alien as an employment- based immigrant under section 203(b) or who has a significant ownership interest in the entity that filed such a petition; and

    (B)(i) who demonstrates (as provided under paragraph (6)) the means to maintain an annual income equal to at least 125 percent of the Federal poverty line (or in the case of an affidavit for a spouse or minor child of the petitioner 140 percent of the Federal poverty line), or

    (ii) does not meet the requirement of paragraph (1)(E) but accepts joint and several liability together with an individual under paragraph (5)(A). 1a/

    (5) 1a/ NON-PETITIONING CASES- Such term also includes an individual who does not meet the requirement of paragraph (1)(D) but who--


    (A) accepts joint and several liability with a petitioning sponsor under paragraph (2) or relative of an employment-based immigrant under paragraph (4) and who demonstrates (as provided under paragraph (6)) the means to maintain an annual income equal to at least 125 percent of the Federal poverty line; or


    (B) is a spouse, parent, mother-in-law, father-in-law, sibling, child (if at least 18 years of age), son, daughter, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, sister-in-law, brother-in-law, grandparent, or grandchild of a sponsored alien or a legal guardian of a sponsored alien, meets the requirements of paragraph (1) (other than subparagraph (D)), and executes an affidavit of support with respect to such alien in a case in which--


    (i) 3/ the individual petitioning under section 204 of this Act for the classification of such alien died after the approval of such petition, and the Secretary of Homeland Security has determined for humanitarian reasons that revocation of such petition under section 205 would be inappropriate; or


    (ii) 3/ the alien's petition is being adjudicated pursuant to section 204(l) (surviving relative consideration).

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    Re: Affidavit of support I-864 and I-864A

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    Да, потому как в этом случае он выполнит критерий №4 через Establishing the Existence of a U.S.Domicile.
    Но в корне неверно утверждать, что требования domicile не существует. (Иначе не нужно было бы показывать никакие "намерения" и прочее еstablishing…).
    Vy utverjdali chto est' trebovanie imet' domicile, v to vremia kak eto ne sovsem tak.

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    Re: Affidavit of support I-864 and I-864A

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    Мне кажется кому то надо почитать сам закон:

    INA 213A (f)
    (f) Sponsor Defined.-

    (1) In general.-For purposes of this section the term "sponsor" in relation to a sponsored alien means an individual who executes an affidavit of support with respect to the sponsored alien and who-

    (A) is a citizen or national of the United States or an alien who is lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence;

    (B) is at least 18 years of age;

    (C) is domiciled in any of the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any territory or possession of the United States;

    (D) is petitioning for the admission of the alien under section 204 ; and

    (E) demonstrates (as provided in paragraph (6)) the means to maintain an annual income equal to at least 125 percent of the Federal poverty line.

    (2) INCOME REQUIREMENT CASE.--Such term also includes an individual who does not meet the requirement of paragraph (1)(E) but accepts joint and several liability together with an individual under paragraph (5)(A). 1a/


    (3) Active duty armed services case.-Such term also includes an individual who does not meet the requirement of paragraph (1)(E) but is on active duty (other than active duty for training) in the Armed Forces of the United States, is petitioning for the admission of the alien under section 204 as the spouse or child of the individual, and demonstrates (as provided in paragraph (6)) the means to maintain an annual income equal to at least 100 percent of the Federal poverty line.

    (4) Certain employment-based immigrants case.-Such term also includes an individual-

    (A) who does not meet the requirement of paragraph (1)(D), but is the relative of the sponsored alien who filed a classification petition for the sponsored alien as an employment- based immigrant under section 203(b) or who has a significant ownership interest in the entity that filed such a petition; and

    (B)(i) who demonstrates (as provided under paragraph (6)) the means to maintain an annual income equal to at least 125 percent of the Federal poverty line (or in the case of an affidavit for a spouse or minor child of the petitioner 140 percent of the Federal poverty line), or

    (ii) does not meet the requirement of paragraph (1)(E) but accepts joint and several liability together with an individual under paragraph (5)(A). 1a/

    (5) 1a/ NON-PETITIONING CASES- Such term also includes an individual who does not meet the requirement of paragraph (1)(D) but who--


    (A) accepts joint and several liability with a petitioning sponsor under paragraph (2) or relative of an employment-based immigrant under paragraph (4) and who demonstrates (as provided under paragraph (6)) the means to maintain an annual income equal to at least 125 percent of the Federal poverty line; or


    (B) is a spouse, parent, mother-in-law, father-in-law, sibling, child (if at least 18 years of age), son, daughter, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, sister-in-law, brother-in-law, grandparent, or grandchild of a sponsored alien or a legal guardian of a sponsored alien, meets the requirements of paragraph (1) (other than subparagraph (D)), and executes an affidavit of support with respect to such alien in a case in which--


    (i) 3/ the individual petitioning under section 204 of this Act for the classification of such alien died after the approval of such petition, and the Secretary of Homeland Security has determined for humanitarian reasons that revocation of such petition under section 205 would be inappropriate; or


    (ii) 3/ the alien's petition is being adjudicated pursuant to section 204(l) (surviving relative consideration).
    Zakon - eto ne sovsem prostaia shtuka. Rabotaet ne sam tekst zakona, a chto o nem govorit sud. Kogda sud chto-to govorit, sam tekst ne meniaetsia, a meniaetsia ponimanie smysla. Eslu sud skazal, chto domicile schitaetsia vypolnennym, esli domicile is being established, to imenno tak i sleduet traktovat' zakon, hotia iz ego teksta eto nikak ne sleduet. Grubo govoria, v 9 FAM vnosiatsia tolkovania sudov. Poetomu daleko ne vsegda tekst zakona govorit bol'she chem to chto napisano v 9 FAM.
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    Re: Affidavit of support I-864 and I-864A

    Раевский спасибо огромнейшее! Я очень был рад почитать то что вы написали про законы и толкования их судами! Мне интересно.

    ЗЫ Но законы всё таки надо читать особенно когда споришь о нормах ими устанавливаемых. Ну и толкования тоже обязательно читать, но только после самих законов. Хотя это всё я не лично вам и не вашей оппонентке сказал а в общем, абстрактно посоветовал.

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    Re: Affidavit of support I-864 and I-864A

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    Vy utverjdali chto est' trebovanie imet' domicile, v to vremia kak eto ne sovsem tak.
    Я и по-прежнему это утверждаю, вместе с 9 FAM (в который "vnosiatsia tolkovania sudov"), см. пп 1-4 и
    "If the petitioner does not meet the qualifying criteria to be a sponsor (for example, by being under 18 years of age or not domiciled in the United States), the visa applicant must be found ineligible for a visa under INA 212(a)(4) until such circumstance no longer exists."
    А как бы так, чтобы no longer exists? Ну вот же, ниже "Establishing the Existence of a U.S.Domicile". Бинго!
    Последний раз редактировалось Melisanta; 29.01.2015 в 23:44. Причина: *exists
    Бог любит атеистов более прочих, ибо они не достают его своими просьбами.

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