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    Re: Получение гражданства для ребенка, рожденного в США

    Спасибо! Такой вариант копии Birth Certificate точно подойдет для получения в консульстве паспорта?

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    Re: Получение гражданства для ребенка, рожденного в США

    Little big horn, у меня была другая ситуация со своим ребенком нежели у Вас, но очень не простая. Так вот, мне очень помогли в отделе для граждан США в посольстве. Позвоните или напишите туда

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    Родители русские, с 5-ти лет живем в Москве
    Такой вариант копии Birth Certificate точно подойдет для получения в консульстве паспорта?
    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/79955.pdf

    1. PROOF OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP
    a. APPLICANTS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES: Submit a previous U.S. passport or certified birth certificate. A birth certificate must include your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.
    1) If the birth certificate was filed more than 1 year after the birth: It must be supported by evidence described in the next paragraph.
    2) If no birth record exists: Submit a registrar’s notice to that effect. Also submit a combination of the following: an early baptismal or circumcision certificate, hospital birth record, early census, school, or family Bible records, or newspapers or insurance files. Notarized affidavits of persons having knowledge of your birth may be submitted in addition to at least one record listed above. Evidence should include your given name and surname, date and place of birth, and the seal or other certification of the office (if customary) and the signature of the issuing official. Visit travel.state.gov for details.
    Na to svidetel'stvo, kotroe vy poteriali, bylo podano do ispolnenia vami 1 goda ili posle?
    Esli do, to bol'she (krome novoi kopii svidetel'stva) nichego ne nado. Esli posle, nujny perechislennye dokazatel'tva.

    Kstati, vashi roditeli - ne diplomaty? To chto oni uehali v Moskvu, natalkivaet menia na mysl' o tom, chto oni byli na ofical'noi rabote v USA kak dippredstaviteli. A to, chto kopia vashego svidetel'stvo o rojdenii byla zaverena v predstavitel'stve CCCP pri OON, prakticheski ne ostavliaet mne svobody dumat' inache - inache ne vdrug v golovu priidet zaverit' tam svidetel'stvo. Takje znamenatel'no, chto vy nigde ne pishete, chto u vas amerikanskoe grajdanstvo. Govorite lish' chto rodilis' v USA. I vyrajaete krainuiu stepen' neuverennosti v tom, chto amerikanskoe svidetel'stvo o rojdenii dast vam vozmojnost' poluchit' paspoprt. Poetomu ia predpolgaiu, chtovy znaete o tom, chto u vas net amerikanskogo grajdanstva.
    Esli u kogo-to iz vashih roditelei v moment vashego rojdenia byl diplomaticheskii immunitet, to vy ne grajdanka USA i pasport ne poluchite. V etom sluchae konstitucia USA i venskia konvencia o diplomaticheskm immunitete nadejno blokiruiut poluchenie vami grajdanstva na osnovanii mesta rojenia. Diplomaticheskii immunitet oznachaet, chto na vashego rodtelia ne rasprostranialas' iurisdikcia USA, i poetomu ne rasprostranialsia zakon o grajdanstve dlia ego detei, rojdennyh v USA.

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    Re: Получение гражданства для ребенка, рожденного в США

    Мои родители не имели дипломатического статуса и не работали на СССР. Отец работал в ООН. Я действительно неуверенно звучу, тк, знакомые говорили, что я не смогу восстановить Birth Certificate, а сейчас я выясняю, что это возможно. И значит появился шанс сделать паспорт. Глупо утвердительно говорить о своем гражданстве, когда нет никаких документов на руках.
    Последний раз редактировалось Little big horn; 15.03.2012 в 16:27.

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    Otkuda vy znaete, chto u otca ne bylo diplomaticheskogo statusa? Bol'shinstvo rabotnikov OON ego imeiut.

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    Это же мой отец, наверное, я владею подобной информацией о своей семье?!...))) И он не работал на СССР!

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    Rabotal on na CCCP ili net - ne tak vajno. Vajno kem on rabotal v OON (esli u nego-taki byl immunitet, to vy ne grajdanka i pasporta ne poluchite) i byl li vam god kogda na vas zakazali svidetel'stvo o rojdenii (esli vy grajdanka, no pervoe svidetel'stvo na vas bylo zaprosheno posle dostijenia vami vozrasta odnogo goda, to vam trebuiutsia dopolnitel'nye dokazatel'stva, ukazannye vyshe).


    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf

    Diplomaticheskii list priveden zdes':
    http://www.state.gov/s/cpr/rls/dpl/

    Dlia 80-h godov ego net na internete

    Appendix J, k sojaleniu, takje poka nedostupen. No ia predpolagaiu, chto vopros reshaetsia prosto.

    Bolee rannie publikacii bolee podrobny:http://www.famguardian.org/TaxFreedo...eptOfState.pdf



    7 FAM 1116.2-2 Officers and Employees of Foreign Embassies and
    Consulates and their Families
    (TL:CON-64; 11-30-95)
    a. Under international law, diplomatic agents are immune from the criminal jurisdiction
    of the receiving state. Diplomatic agents are also immune, with limited exception, from the
    civil and administrative jurisdiction of the state. The immunities of diplomatic agents extend
    to the members of their family forming part of their household. For this reason children born
    in the United States to diplomats to the United States are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction
    and do not acquire U.S. citizenship under the 14th Amendment or the laws derived from it.
    b. The names of diplomatic agents accredited or notified to the United States and who
    have full diplomatic privileges and immunities are published every three months in the
    Department’s Diplomatic List, often called the “Blue List.” The Diplomatic List also gives
    the name of the spouses residing with them, but does not include other members of the
    family forming part of the household, although they may be entitled to privileges and
    immunities.
    c. The Diplomatic List does not indicate the dates of accreditation or notification, or of
    termination, and any given issue of the Diplomatic List does not include accreditations,
    notifications or terminations occurring after the closing date for submission of information
    for that issue. In addition, the Diplomatic List does not include persons who have entered
    the territory of the United states to take up the post of diplomatic agent but who are not yet
    accredited or notified, although they enjoy privileges and immunities from the moment of
    entry pursuant to Article 39 of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. For all of
    these reasons, the Diplomatic List, while an important source in citizenship inquiries
    involving the children of diplomats, cannot by itself resolve such inquiries. The Office of
    Protocol (CPR) maintains complete records to supplement the Diplomatic List. CA/OCS will
    inquire of CPR if necessary.
    d. As a rule, children born in the United States to the following employees of foreign
    governments acquire U.S. citizenship:
    (1) Members of the administrative and technical (A&T) staff or service staff of foreign
    embassies. However, bilateral agreements with certain countries grant A&T and service
    staff members and their families diplomatic-level privileges and immunities, and children
    born in the United States to such persons do not acquire U.S. citizenship. CA/OCS,
    through the Office of Protocol, will address inquiries as to whether such bilateral
    agreements affect the A&T or service staff members of specific countries;
    (2) Foreign diplomats accredited to a country other than the United States;
    (3) Diplomatic agents whose functions in the United States have ended, and whose
    privileges and immunities have ceased upon the expiration of a reasonable time for
    departure. The general practice of the United States is to consider 30 days a reasonable
    period of departure. In specific cases, the Department may allow a shorter or longer period;
    (4) Diplomatic agents who have the children in question with U.S. citizens capable of
    transmitting U.S. citizenship to children born abroad. Such children acquire citizenship
    under pertinent law as if born abroad and would be subject to any citizenship retention
    requirements in effect at the time of birth;
    (5) Consular officers and employees [see NOTES].
    NOTES:
    (a) Consular officers assigned to the embassy of the sending state are accredited as
    diplomatic agents. Children born to such officers do not acquire U.S. citizenship.
    (b) Bilateral agreements with certain countries grant consular officers and their families
    diplomatic-level privileges and immunities, and children born in the United States to
    such persons do not acquire U.S. citizenship. CA/OCS should be queried as to
    whether such bilateral agreements affect the consular officers of specific countries.
    e. The recollections of the parents or child about the parents’ status at the time of the
    child’s birth may be imprecise, and the only way to ascertain whether the child was born
    subject to U.S. jurisdiction is to review the Diplomatic List and other records dating from
    the time of the birth. Therefore, a post that has received an application from a first-time
    applicant born in the United States to a member of a diplomatic mission or consular post or
    an inquiry about the citizenship status of such a person should request the Department
    (CA/OCS/ACS ) by telegram to check the pertinent records [see 7 FAM 1116 Exhibit
    1116.2-2 ]. The telegram should give the child’s name, date and place of birth, the name of
    the parent who may have had diplomatic status at the time of the child’s birth, and the
    name of the country represented. The telegram should indicate whether the other parent
    was a U.S. citizen when the child was born.

    7 FAM 1116.2-3 Resident Representatives to and Officials of the
    United Nations
    (TL:CON-64; 11-30-95)
    a. The considerations noted in Section 7 FAM 1116.2-2 relating to the children of
    diplomatic agents also apply to those of the Resident Representatives to and Officials of
    the United Nations described as follows:
    (1) Resident Representatives. Under the UN Headquarters Agreement, certain
    individuals are entitled to the same privileges and immunities accorded to diplomatic
    envoys. These individuals include:
    (i) the principal resident representative to the UN of a member state or a resident
    representative with the rank of Ambassador or minister plenipotentiary;
    (ii) resident staffs of members agreed upon by the Secretary-General, the United
    States, and the member state;
    (iii) principal resident representatives with the rank of Ambassador or minister
    plenipotentiary to specialized agencies of the UN with headquarters in the United
    States;
    (iv) other principal resident representatives and resident staffs of members to
    specialized agencies agreed upon by the principal executive officer of the agency, the
    United States, and the member state.
    (2) High-level UN Officials. Under the Convention on the Privileges and Immunities of
    the United Nations, the Secretary-General and all Assistant Secretaries-General are
    entitled to the same privileges and immunities as are accorded to diplomatic envoys.
    b. The U.S. Mission to the United Nations issues a “Blue List” of the resident
    representatives and staff of the Missions to the United Nations who are entitled to
    diplomatic privileges and immunities accorded to diplomatic envoys. As in the case of the
    Diplomatic List for bilateral diplomats, the Blue List should be viewed as a resource, but not
    the definitive source of information. Upon receipt of a telegram, as described in 7 FAM
    1116 Exhibit 1116.2-2 , modified to indicate the name of the UN Mission or the position of
    the diplomat with the UN secretariat, CA/OCS/ ACS will check the relevant records and
    provide an opinion of the child’s claim to citizenship.
    c. As a rule, children born in the United States to the following members of the UN
    community acquire U.S. citizenship:
    (1) Members of the non-diplomatic staff of the UN Missions, e.g., secretaries,
    administrative clerks and drivers;
    (2) Employees of the UN secretariat not included in section 7 FAM 1116.2-3 a.(2);
    (3) Members of UN Observer Missions;
    (4) Members who were accorded diplomatic immunity, but whose functions in the U.S.
    have ended, and whose privileges and immunities have ceased; and
    (5) Members who are U.S. citizens or have the children in question with citizens
    capable of transmitting U.S. citizenship to children born abroad. A child who acquired U.S.
    citizenship under such circumstances would be subject to any citizenship retention
    requirements in effect at the time of birth.

    7 FAM 1116.2-4 Representatives to and Officials of Certain Other
    International Organizations
    (TL:VISA-64; 11-30-95)
    a. The considerations noted in Section 7 FAM 1116.2-2 relating to the children of
    diplomatic agents, also apply to those of certain Resident Representatives to and Officials
    of international organizations including, but not limited to, the Organization of American
    States, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. The number of such
    Resident Representatives and Officials entitled to diplomatic immunity is small. Generally,
    most employees of international organizations with offices in the United States are not
    entitled to diplomatic immunity and their children born in the United States are U.S.
    citizens.
    b. Because the source of immunity derives from several different conventions or
    treaties, and because there are not consolidated lists for all of those eligible for diplomatic
    immunity, consular officers should send a cable, as described in 7 FAM 1116 Exhibit
    1116.2-2 , modified to indicate the name of the international organization, to CA/OCS/ ACS
    for an opinion on the child’s claim to citizenship

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    Re: Получение гражданства для ребенка, рожденного в США

    Хмм... Спасибо Вам большое! Папа уже умер, но мама говорит, что дипломатический статус у него отсутствовал! Работал он переводчиком. А свидетельство было получено- КАЖЕТСЯ- до года, но точно мама не помнит. (( Сейчас буду читать Ваши ссылки.

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    Booking.com
    Tam je http://www.famguardian.org/TaxFreedo...eptOfState.pdf est' poiasnenia k pravilu o svidetel'stve:
    7 FAM 1119 PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH IN THE UNITED STATES

    b. The birth certificate must:
    .........
    (2) Have a filing date within 1 year of the birth; and
    T.e. rech' o tom, chto vashe svidetel'stvo, kotoroe vy predstavliaete v konsul'stvo, v liubom slucae potrebuet perechilennyh dopolnitel'nyh dokazael'stv, t.k. imenno ono doljno byt' zaprosheno do dostijenia goda.
    Hotia, konechno, filing date mojet fiksirovat'sa po pervomu svidetel'stvu.

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