Ташкент. Отказ. По статье 212(а)6е «Незаконный вывоз людей».

Здравствуйте, у моего друга не счастье он получил отказ в Ташкенте.
Первый пакет отправлен из Америки в апреле.
2007 году 3 августа он женился.
Фирма посредник уведомила о выигрыше в сентебре.
Первый пакет отправлен октябре.
Собеседование было на прошлой неделе.
К посольству как не готовились думали просто пройти раз брак настоящий. Не готовились к перекрёстному допросу который там был устроен. В процессе интервью который проводился отдельно. Консул выделил только три вопроса который он постоянно перепрашивал на всём протяжении 30 минутного собеседования. На один из которых они ответили неверно.
«Когда познакомились с родителями до свадьбы». Они ответили по разному.
Консул не попросил показать фотографии, до брака после брака свадьбы. Просто поставил отказ мужу написал «Незаконный вывоз людей» он победитель ей 212(а)6с предоставление ложной информации.
Неужели нельзя не чего делать.

A kakie byli ostal’nye dva voprosa?
Pochemu po tomu voprosu oni otvetili po-raznomu?

Я их попросил вот полный перечень вопросов и ответов:

  1. KAK VAS ZOVUT

  2. A FAMILIYA

  3. KAK ZAVUT VASHEGO MUJA

  4. A FAMILIYA

  5. OTCHESTVО

  6. KOGDA VI S NIM POZNAKOMILIS
  7. V aprele v 2006 godu
  8. KAK VI POZNAKOMILIS
  9. Nas poznakomili
  10. KTO VAS POZNAKOMIL
  11. Nash obshiy drug Farruh
  12. KUDA VI POSHLI
  13. V bar Nyu-Layf
  14. SKEM VI BILI
  15. Mi bili odni
  16. ZNACHIT VAS BILO TROYE
  17. Net nas bulo dvoe
  18. A KAK VAS ON TOGDA POZNAKOMIL
  19. Prosto Farruh emu posovetoval menya
  20. KOGDA BILA U VAS SVADBA
  21. 3 avgusta 2007 goda
  22. ZAGZ KOGDA BIL
  23. 3 avgusta 2007 g.
  24. KUDA VI POSHLI POSLE ZAGSA
  25. V pavilion I v restoran na svad’ bu k nam
  26. KAK KVAM
  27. Unas b’lo dve svad’bi 3 u nas a 5 u nix
  28. U VAS TAKAYA TRADITSIYA TAK PRINYATO
  29. Da, u nas takaya traditsiya
  30. KOGDA VI V PERVIY RAZ POZNOKOMILIS S EGO RODITELYAMI A ON SVASHIMI
  31. Posle svad’ bi. Mi po telefonu obshalis’ no ofisialno ne znakomilis’. Oni obshalis’ po telefonu n ya tak je.
  32. KAK VI POSLE SVADBI SKAZALI YA TAKAYATA TAKAYA
  33. Ya net u nas ne prinyato.
  34. SKOLKO IH V SEMYE (BRAT SESTRA )
  35. Odin brat odna sestrenka.
  36. SKEM VI JIVYOTI
  37. Svekr, svekrov’ I zalovka.
  38. CHTO TAKOYE ZALOVKA
  39. Sestrenka muja.
  40. CHTO VI DELALI V PROSHLUYU SUBBOTU I voskresenye
  41. Sterala I uberalas’
  42. CHTO DELAL MUJ
  43. Naverno televizor smotrel, ya tochno neznayu bila zanyata.
  44. CHTO VI DELALI VOSKRESENIYE
  45. Poshli k roditelyam
  46. KOGDA POSHLI VO SKOLKO PRISHLI
  47. V obed prishli vecherom ushli.

VOPROS AKRAMU

  1. KOGDA VI POZNAKOMILIS S JENOY?
  2. Ya poznakomilsya s jenoy 2006g Aprele
  3. GDE VI VSTRETILIS?
  4. Vstretilis’ okolo instituta
  5. VNUTRI ILI NA ULITSE?
  6. Na ulitse okolo vorot.
  7. KTO VAS POZNAKOMIL?
  8. Moy drug Farruh obshiy
  9. POTOM KUDA POSHLI?
  10. Mi pochli v kafe Nyu- Layf
  11. KAK VI DOSHLI V KAFE?
  12. Na taksi
  13. KOGDA VI POZNAKOMILIS S RODITELYAMI JENI?
  14. Ya poznakomilya do svadbi s mamoy I sestroy jeni.
  15. KONKRETNO VI MOJETI V KAKOM MESTE?
  16. Ya ne pomnyu posle nashigo v strecha ona nasha klientka ona prishla I poprosila rebyat pozvat menya I ya podoshel pozdorovilsya I prestavila sebya I ya toje skazal chto ya Akram
  17. A KOGDA VI POZNOKOMILIS S SESTROY
  18. Ona toje rabotaet s mamoy I ona kogda prishla na rabotu ya ee uvidel I poznokomilis’.
  19. CHTO U NEYO OTEC UMER?
  20. Net on jiv
  21. V MESTE NE JIVUT?
  22. Net v meste jivut prosto u nas ne prinrta s otsom poznakomitsya.
  23. KOGDA POZNAKOMILIS S OTSOM
  24. Nu do svadbi mi sideli v restorane I mi poznakomilis’s otssom jeni
  25. KTO BIL V TOT DEN
  26. Ee semya mat’, otets I jena moya I moya semya ya, mat’ , otets, sestrenka.
  27. CHTO VI DELALAI SUBBOTU VOSKRESENIYE
  28. Ya v subbotu poshel na rabotu do obeda rabotal I domoy prishel
  29. KOGDA VI PRISHLI DOMOY?
  30. Okolo 1-2 neznayu…
  31. CHEM VI ZANIMALIS DOMA?
  32. Ya sidel doma .
  33. A V VOSKRESENYE CHTO DELALI?
  34. Mi sideli doma do obeda I poshli domoy k mame moey jeni. Mi xodili v voskresenye k jene domoy.
  35. SKEM VI JIVYOTI
  36. Ya jivu s roditelyami
  37. VO SKOLKO POSHLI DOMOY K VASHEMU SVYOKRU?
  38. Posle 12-13 ne pomnyu…
  39. VOSKOLKO PRISHLI
  40. Vecherom.
  41. KONKRETNO SKAJITE VREMYA
  42. Ne pomnyu temno bilo.(Konsul skazal: “Posidite gospodin ******”)

I kakie je TE 3 voprosa?

вот это мне говорит, что они живут отдельно.

на самом деле что то тут не так
консул не дурак

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  1. Kogda poznakomilis’ s roditelyami jeni?
    A: – Ya poznakomilsya do svad’bi, eyo mama nasha klientka v banke.
    G: – Obshalis’ do svad’bi no ofitsial’no poznakomilis’ posle svad’bi.

Большая Ошибка заключалась в том что по национальным традициям знакомоство с девушкой (или встречи с девушкой до свадьбы) осуждаются в нашем обществе (речь о Узбекистане)и говорят что девушка гулящая. Поэтому стараются на афишировать встречи до свадьбы.
СУПРУГА СКАЗАЛА ОФИЦИАЛЬНУЮ ВЕРСИЮ ДЛЯ РОДНИ (ВСЕ ТАК ГОВОРЯТ)ЧТО ПОЗНАКОМИЛИСЬ ПОСЛЕ СВАДЬБЫ. НО ОБЩАЛИСЬ ПО ТЕЛЕФОНУ.
МУЖ СКАЗАЛ ДО СВАДЬБЫ СИДЕЛИ В РЕСТОРАНЕ(ОНА ОБ ЭТОМ ДАЖЕ НЕ ПОМНИЛА.)


  1. Chem zanimalis’ v proshluyu subbotu i voskresenye?
    A: – V subbotu ya poshol v bank, rabotal do obeda, no jena ne znala ob etom. Potom doma sideli.
    G: – Ya uberalas’ doma

Муж в воскресение сходил на работу (у нас до сих есть субботники) коллектив с 10 до 12 делал очистку тереторий окколло банка.
Вопрос считать ли субботник (хашар узб.) работой или просто прогулкой?
Жена ответила что не знает так как она занималась стиркой.
Ещё одной осебенностью Узбекистана можно считать большие дворы. Если в Европе люди живут в секциях то у нас до сих пор все живут во дворах с большими семьями двор 6-10 и больше соток это нормально. И в таких дворах живут обычно две три и больше семьи близких родственников с детьми. Днём проявлять на людях какие либо близкие отношение при всех считается не приично. И молодые муж и жена обычно на людях дома не общаются. А ели стирка то это большая на всю семью для Свекрови свёкра тоже. А баня находится у них вообще в конце двора.
Жена даже не заметила отсутствие супруга. По причине полной занятости (то есть молодую невестку все по полной эксплуатируют (такие у на с традиции)).


100 пудов не дурак они дураки.

Так как молодую у нас обычно грузят по полной она на всю араву (родную) завтраки ужины в воскресенье прадничный плов готовит плюс обстирывает и убирает за всеми. Чуть не забыл каждый день рано утром нужно поливать двор водой и мести веником.

А если бы сели и готовилисьбы к перекрёстному допросу. Писали бы ответы с готовых воросников с интернета то такого не было бы.

очень жаль ,но по моему вам уже ничто не поможет. сочувствую вам

Est’ li u vas obscie deti?
Budut li oni v blijaishie neskol’ko mesiacev?
Kakaia u vas sovmestnaia sobstvennost’?
Priniato li v Uzbekistane molodojenam jit’ otdel’no drug ot druga i poscescat’ drug druga lish’ po vyhodnym?

НЕТ.

НЕТ.

НЕТ.

НЕТ.

Ochen’ rekomenduiu pochitat’. Eto o problemah, s kotorymi stalkivaiutsia konsul’stva USA v podobnyh sluchaiah. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d071174.pdf

The DV program rules require applicants to list all family members31 on their original entry form. Due to the extended time between the lottery entry and the visa interview at post, some applicants marry and have children after their initial DV entry, and these new beneficiaries are added to the principal DV winner’s application. At some posts, verifying the legitimacy of these new relationships did not pose a problem. However, at 5 of the 11 posts we reviewed—Accra, Addis Ababa, Dhaka, Lagos, and Warsaw—consular officers reported that verifying these relationships, referred to as “pop-ups,” was a major fraud challenge.32 Consular officers in Accra and Addis Ababa said that relationship fraud was their biggest fraud challenge in DV processing. In Addis Ababa, for example, marrying a DV lottery winner in an attempt to obtain an immigrant visa has become so common that the term “DV marriage” has entered the local lexicon. Officers in Accra estimated that up to 50 percent of DV adjudications there involve a “pop-up” spouse; officers in Addis Ababa said that the percentage of sham DV marriages at their post could be as high as 90 percent and a cable from the post stated that DV-related marriage fraud was “rampant.” Officers speculated that some applicants entered into a DV marriage to help a friend or another family member, even a sibling, obtain an immigrant visa. According to officers in Addis Ababa, Accra, and Lagos, applicants engaging in sham marriages rely on backdated marriage certificates, fake supporting documentation, and staged wedding pictures to try to prove their marriage is legitimate. An officer in Accra said that the prevalence of customary marriages in Ghana, in which there is no official documentation of the union, complicates matters since even legitimate couples may only acquire a marriage certificate after winning the DV lottery. The custom of arranged marriage in Nepal and Bangladesh makes it challenging for officers to sort out legitimate arranged marriages from those arranged solely for immigration purposes.
Consular officers and cables from Addis Ababa, Dhaka, and Warsaw cited the involvement of the visa industry in organizing fake DV marriages. The officers in Addis Ababa believed that arranging DV marriages was the greatest money maker for visa agents. If an applicant cannot pay a visa agent’s exorbitant fees, a lesser fee can be arranged if the applicant marries a person who has also paid a fee to the agent. The visa agents provide the new couples with fake documentation to establish the marriage and coach them on how to answer questions about the relationship in the visa interview. Officers in Warsaw obtained a “cheat sheet” from some Ukrainian applicants detailing how to prepare for the consular officer’s questions. Moreover, the fraud prevention unit at the U.S. embassy in Ukraine learned of a visa consultancy in western Ukraine that offered, for approximately $14,500, to set up a fake marriage between a client and a DV winner. The arrangement was based on fake documents and months of preparation before the visa interview. If the couple’s visa application was denied, most of the money would be returned to the client.

All of the 11 DV-processing posts we reviewed use various resources to combat DV-related fraud, both to warn DV applicants about visa industry scams and to detect fraudulent activity by DV applicants. Consular officers in Addis Ababa, Dhaka, Kathmandu, Lagos, and Warsaw said that they conduct extensive public diplomacy campaigns to educate DV applicants about the program and to warn them about unscrupulous visa consultants.
For example, the U.S. embassy in Addis Ababa distributed 100,000 color flyers throughout Ethiopia, printed in six local languages, and ran many advertisements in local newspapers to exhort DV applicants not to be fooled by the visa industry and to warn that fake marriages will not go undetected by consular officers. Similarly, consular officers in Accra and Lagos have conducted numerous interviews and press conferences to educate applicants about the DV program and to warn them against scams. The post in Kathmandu reported it undertakes extensive outreach to ensure that potential DV applicants have information on the program, and is planning even more aggressive public outreach for the future. Moreover, officers at several posts described efforts they took to warn applicants not to proceed with the visa interview unless they were qualified. For example, the consular sections in Accra, Ankara, and Kathmandu post signs next to the cashier’s window, reminding applicants of the DV eligibility requirements and that the $755 fee is not refundable. Consular officers in Dhaka brief DV applicants in the waiting room every morning to remind them of the requirements, the consequences of committing fraud, and that the fee is nonrefundable. However, consular officers consistently said that some DV applicants still hold misconceptions; the officers suspect that they do not trust information they receive from the U.S. government, preferring to trust members of their own community as sources of information.
In addition to public diplomacy efforts, DV posts also use a variety of antifraud tools to combat fraud after the applicant has come to the post for visa adjudication. Consular officers review the applicant’s documents, along with any fraud notes from KCC, and scrutinize the applicant during the visa interview. The consular chief in Dhaka said the post’s best antifraud tool is good interviewing skills. In Accra, Addis Ababa, and Warsaw, officers conduct split interviews for couples suspected of marriage fraud. Questionable cases are referred to the post’s fraud prevention unit for further review.37 These units investigate the facts of the case, such as by calling school boards to see if the education certificate is legitimate, or conducting field investigations to see if an applicant’s marriage is legitimate. Some posts also receive assistance from their regional security office, and some receive cooperation from local law enforcement. A consular officer in Accra said that the embassy made three DV fraud ring busts along with the help of local police. In Lagos, the consulate reported that its fraud prevention unit was working with the Nigerian authorities to prosecute several DV applicants who had admitted to marriage fraud.
Several officers said that DV fraud investigations were resource-intense, and others said that they were restricted by limited resources. A May 2006 cable from the post in Addis Ababa to State headquarters stated that consular officers and fraud investigators had spent thousands of hours trying to sift out real marriages from the many fraudulent ones, and thousands of dollars each year verifying marriage certificates and conducting field investigations. Consular officers in Accra said that the post stopped doing field investigations on suspected DV sham marriages because they were so resource-intense and not productive; for example, in many cases, when investigators from the embassy went to neighborhoods to check on marriages, they found neighbors complicit and willing to back up the couple’s false story. In Lagos, the consular chief said that the section did not have the resources to carry out all the fraud investigations it would like to, although the post had reclassified the fraud prevention manager’s position so that it would next be filled by a midlevel officer, instead of an entry-level officer, which is currently the case. An official in the post’s regional security office said the office was so short on resources that it did not have the time or budget to help the consular section, and while Lagos had an assistant regional security officer for investigations position, the slot has been vacant since September 2006. Accra does not have an assistant regional security officer for investigations position.
The U.S. embassy in Kiev has an assistant regional security officer for investigations, and the fraud prevention unit at the embassy works with the consular section at the embassy in Warsaw on Ukrainian DV fraud. Officers from the unit reported success with DV field investigations conducted in the past year; 16 of 19 investigations confirmed evidence of fraud. However, those same officials told us they were concerned that they would get less cooperation from local officials in Ukraine in future investigations. The immigrant visa section chief in Warsaw said that increased funding for field investigations would be the best way to improve DV processing. The U.S. embassy in Dhaka also has a busy fraud prevention unit and an assistant regional security officer for investigations whom consular officers said was very helpful with DV fraud investigations. In a March 2007 cable to State headquarters and the KCC, the post said that its fraud prevention efforts would be greatly enhanced if it had more information on visa facilitator patterns; the post wanted lists of duplicate entries that might provide more information to track visa facilitators.

V vashem sluchae, ia dumaiu, u vas net nikakih shansov.

У нас такая же ситуация, и отказ и запрет на въезд пожизненно, ну что ж это стало еще интересней. Будем искать выход. Не отчаивайтесь!!!

ну жаль значит
я одно не понимаю зачем они зацикливаются на своих традициях типо так нельзя так можно
пусть все говорят как есть,я так понимаю эти люди впали в панику,и умный консул раскусил их,а именно он поймал их на лжи,а это есть не хорошо для них

мне б такую жену :slight_smile:

Давайте к нам в Узбекистан.

вопросы про брак с гражданином США перенесены сюда

Сочувствую вам!
А почему вам отказали да еще и запрет пожизненно поставили, за обман?
Удачи вам в решении вопросов!

Net. Ne za obman. Stat’ia “kontrabanda immigracii” ne trebuet sovershenia obmana. Ona trebuet lish’ nezakonnyh deistvii, kotorye napravleny na vvoz v USA togo, kto ne imeet prava na v’ezd. Naprimer, esli vy perevezete cherez granicu v USA nelegala v obhod KPP - eto tipichnyi primer primenenia dannoi stat’i. Po puti vam ne vstretilsia nikto, i obmanut’ prosto bylo nekogo.

жена сказала что они пошли к ее родителям.
“49. CHTO VI DELALI VOSKRESENIYE
50. Poshli k roditelyam”

муж сказал то же самое:
33. A V VOSKRESENYE CHTO DELALI?
34. Mi sideli doma do obeda I poshli domoy k mame moey jeni. Mi xodili v voskresenye k jene domoy.

вопрос мужу:
35. SKEM VI JIVYOTI
36. Ya jivu s roditelyami

вопрос жене:
41. SKEM VI JIVYOTI
42. Svekr, svekrov’ I zalovka.
43. CHTO TAKOYE ZALOVKA
44. Sestrenka muja.

можно узнать - с чего вы решили что они живут отдельно?